What Will Happen to Battle Rifle and Magazine Prices in 2009 and Beyond?
 

The Inauguration Factor: What Will Happen to Battle Rifle and Magazine Prices in 2009 and Beyond?

There is much conjecture in shooting publications and online forums about BHO's upcoming inauguration. Some (myself included) have predicted that the new Administration will unleash a flurry of executive orders in their first few week. Among these will likely be a ban on semi-automatic firearms and so-called "high capacity" magazines. This may be followed soon after by the permanent re-enactment of the 1994-to-2004 Federal "Assault weapons" ban.

Alas, probably too late, HK plans to build and sell their "416"-style uber-railed MR556 and MR762 rifles in the United States. The scheduled release date is "sometime in late 2009" That is the wrong end of Aught Nine, in my estimation. There will likely be a ban in place by then. Meanwhile, after a 18-year hiatus from civilian sale, there is still no firm word from Steyr about the release date of the much-anticipated flat-top ("A3") AUGs in the US. At least SIG got their SIG-556 rifles and pistols into production in time, and ditto for FN's PS90 (5.7) and FS-2000 (5.56) bullpups, and RRA's LAR-8 .308. But those have only been produced in relatively small numbers compared to the plethora of AR-15s being churned out in 31 flavors from umpteen makers. <Sarcasm Mode On> I expect to see a Martha Stewart Edition floral motif AR-15, any day now. <Sarcasm Mode Off.> OBTW, have you seen this DeWalt (a one-of creation), and the CavArms pink AR-15s?)

So the SIG 556, "SIG Classic", and other "produced in only small numbers before the ban" rifles will be worth a fortune, if and when there is another ban. I'm planning to buy one or two, just as an investment. That is, if I can find one in captivity on the secondary market. Another few question marks out there: The FN SCAR, the Magpul Masada/Bushmaster ACR, and the Kel-Tec RFB .308 bullpup. If any of those new guns make it to market before a ban and the price is reasonable, then pounce on them. They will be sure to appreciate in value handsomely.

The current market for semi-auto battle rifles, full capacity magazines, and even ammo can best be described as "frenzied." I can make no firm predictions, but I think that I can safely presage that both the depth and breadth available product selection and the prices your local gun shop or gun show in 2012 will be much different than today. Some of the biggest price gains will be in 11+ round magazine prices. Stock up!


http://www.survivalblog.com/

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I don't think there will be a grandfather clause this time around when all is said and done. The poor bastards will have us completely surrounded!


:bulride:

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If they attempt to take them that is when we start to use them.

All bets will then be off

You will see a Ruby Ridge if they attempt to steal my weapons.

Remember Heller ? The court agreed or at least the majority agreed that the 2A is an individual right not a collective right.

The sad thing is that the vote was only 5/4 not all 9 seeing it as an individual right.

BTW here is the link to the OP's article.
http://www.survivalblog.com/2009/01/...or_what_w.html

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I think it's possible a new law will come into effect to make all sales/exchanges reportable with a federal form and background check. Along with a heafty tax to pay for the new system.
If you are caught selling/exchanging any firearm without reporting or being compliant, it will be a federal offense, and you will lose your right to own firearms, punishable with heavy fines and or prison.
This will decimate gun shows, private sales and news paper sales.
Also a complete private sale ban on all semi-auto high capacity weapons.
You must have an FFL to purchase these. Existing owners will be grandfathered in.
You may just plan on keeping what you own.

Like the Messiah said, "lawful gun owners have nothing to worry about"

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Heller was smoke and mirrors. The court still ruled that govt can regulate which is exactly what it intends to do. Sure you have an individual right to own a breach loading, single shot, .22 SHORT! Remember the phrase "common sense gun laws", they will soon be coming to a location near you. Clair Wolf has a great phrase in which she says, "it's too late to work within the system and to early to shoot the bastards". Time may be short.

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Got on the watch list for a glock 36 today! :wink:

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What EE said will no doubt be one of the first baby steps (registration) taken. It is also a time proven fact that registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation. Registration is a necessary step on the way to confiscation because it takes most of the guess work out and makes it easier to target those who are holding.

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This story is timeless and becomes more appropriate as time goes by.


http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/sundown.html



The old man walked slowly through the dry, fallen leaves of autumn, his practiced eye automatically choosing the bare and stony places in the trail for his feet. There was scarcely a sound as he passed, though his left knee was stiff with scar tissue. He grunted occasionally as the tight sinews pulled. Damn chainsaw, he thought.
Behind him, the boy shuffled along, trying to imitate his grandfather, but unable to mimic the silent motion that the old man had learned during countless winter days upon this wooded mountain in pursuit of game. He's fifteen years old, the old man thought. Plenty old enough to be learning. But that was another time, another America. His mind drifted, and he saw himself, a fifteen-year-old boy following in the footsteps of his own grandfather, clutching a twelve gauge in his trembling hands as they tracked a wounded whitetail.
The leg was hurting worse now, and he slowed his pace a bit. Plenty of time. It should have been my own son here with me now, the old man thought sadly. But Jason had no interest, no understanding. He cared for nothing but pounding on the keys of that damned computer terminal. He knew nothing about the woods, or where food came from...or freedom. And that's my fault, isn't it?
The old man stopped and held up his hand, motioning for the boy to look. In the small clearing ahead, the deer stood motionless, watching them. It was a scraggly buck, underfed and sickly, but the boy's eyes lit up with excitement. It had been many years since they had seen even a single whitetail here on the mountain. After the hunting had stopped, the population had exploded. The deer had eaten the mountain almost bare until erosion had become a serious problem in some places. That following winter, three starving does had wandered into the old man's yard, trying to eat the bark off of his pecan trees, and he had wished the "animal rights" fanatics could have been there then. It was against the law, but old man knew a higher law, and he took an axe into the yard and killed the starving beasts. They did not have the strength to run.
The buck finally turned and loped away, and they continued down the trail to the river. When they came to the "Big Oak," the old man turned and pushed through the heavy brush beside the trail and the boy followed, wordlessly. The old man knew that Thomas was curious about their leaving the trail, but the boy had learned to move silently (well, almost) and that meant no talking. When they came to "Coffin Rock," the old man sat down upon it and motioned for the boy to join him.
"You see this rock, shaped like a casket?" the old man asked. "Yes sir." The old man smiled. The boy was respectful and polite. He loved the outdoors, too. Everything a man could ask in a grandson ....or a son.
"I want you to remember this place, and what I'm about to tell you. A lot of it isn't going to make any sense to you, but it's important and one day you'll understand it well enough. The old man paused. Now that he was here, he didn't really know where to start.
"Before you were born," he began at last, "this country was different. I've told you about hunting, about how everybody who obeyed the law could own guns. A man could speak out, anywhere, without worrying about whether he'd get back home or not. School was different, too. A man could send his kids to a church school, or a private school, or even teach them at home. But even in the public schools, they didn't spend all their time trying to brainwash you like they do at yours now." The old man paused, and was silent for many minutes. The boy was still, watching a chipmunk scavenging beside a fallen tree below them.
"Things don't ever happen all at once, boy. They just sort of sneak up on you. Sure, we knew guns were important; we just didn't think it would ever happen in America. But we had to do something about crime, they said. It was a crisis. Everything was a crisis! It was a drug crisis, or a terrorism crisis, or street crime, or gang crime. Even a 'health care' crisis was an excuse to take away a little more of our rights." The old man turned to look at his grandson.
"They ever let you read a thing called the Constitution down there at your school?" The boy solemnly shook his head. "Well, the Fourth Amendment's still in there. It says there won't be any unreasonable searches and seizures. It says you're safe in your own home." The old man shrugged. "That had to go. It was a crisis! They could kick your door open any time, day or night, and come in with guns blazing if they thought you had drugs ...or later, guns. Oh, at first it was just registration -- to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals! But that didn't work, of course, and then later when they wanted to take 'em they knew where to look. They banned 'assault rifles', and then 'sniper rifles', and 'Saturday night specials.' Everything you saw on the TV or in the movies was against us. God knows the news people were! And the schools were teaching our kids that nobody needed guns anymore. We tried to take a stand, but we felt like the whole face of our country had changed and we were left outside."
"Me and a friend of mine, when we saw what was happening, we came and built a secret place up here on the mountain. A place where we could put our guns until we needed them. We figured some day Americans would remember what it was like to be free, and what kind of price we had to pay for that freedom. So we hid our guns instead of losing them."
"One fellow I knew disagreed. He said we ought to use our guns now and stand up to the government. Said that the colonists had fought for their freedom when the British tried to disarm them at Lexington and Concord. Well, he and a lot of others died in what your history books call the 'Tax Revolt of 1998,' but son, it wasn't the revolt that caused the repeal of the Second Amendment like your history book says. The Second Amendment was already gone long before they ever repealed it. The rest of us thought we were doing the right thing by waiting. I hope to God we were right."
"You see, Thomas. It isn't government that makes a man free. In the end, governments always do just the opposite. They gobble up freedom like hungry pigs. You have to have laws to keep the worst in men under control, but at the same time the people have to have guns, too, in order to keep the government itself under control. In our country, the people were supposed to be the final authority of the law, but that was a long time ago. Once the guns were gone, there was no reason for those who run the government to give a damn about laws and constitutional rights and such. They just did what they pleased and anyone who spoke out...well, I'm getting ahead of myself."
"It took a long time to collect up all the millions of firearms that were in private hands. The government created a whole new agency to see to it. There were rewards for turning your friends in, too. Drug dealers and murderers were set free after two or three years in prison, but possession of a gun would get you mandatory life behind bars with no parole.
"I don't know how they found out about me, probably knew I'd been a hunter all those years, or maybe somebody turned me in. They picked me up on suspicion and took me down to the federal building."
"Son, those guys did everything they could think of to me. Kept me locked up in this little room for hours, no food, no water. They kept coming in, asking me where the guns were. 'What guns?' I said. Whenever I'd doze off, they'd come crashing in, yelling and hollering. I got to where I didn't know which end was up. I'd say I wanted my lawyer and they'd laugh. 'Lawyers are for criminals', they said. 'You'll get a lawyer after we get the guns.' What's so funny is, I know they thought they were doing the right thing. They were fighting crime!"
"When I got home I found Ruth sitting in the middle of the living room floor, crying her eyes out. The house was a shambles. While I was down there, they'd come out and took our house apart. Didn't need a search warrant, they said. National emergency! Gun crisis! Your grandma tried to call our preacher and they ripped the phone off the wall. Told her that they'd go easy on me if she just told them where I kept my guns." The old man laughed. "She told them to go to hell." He stared into the distance for a moment as his laughter faded.
"They wouldn't tell her about me, where I was or anything, that whole time. She said that she'd thought I was dead. She never got over that day, and she died the next December."
"They've been watching me ever since, off and on. I guess there's not much for them to do anymore, now that all the guns are gone. Plenty of time to watch one foolish old man." He paused. Beside him, the boy stared at the stone beneath his feet.
"Anyway, I figure that, one day, America will come to her senses. Our men will need those guns and they'll be ready. We cleaned them and sealed them up good; they'll last for years. Maybe it won't be in your lifetime, Thomas. Maybe one day you'll be sitting here with your son or grandson. Tell him about me, boy. Tell him about the way I said America used to be." The old man stood, his bad leg shaking unsteadily beneath him.
"You see the way this stone points? You follow that line one hundred feet down the hill and you'll find a big round rock. It looks like it's buried solid, but one man with a good prybar can lift it, and there's a concrete tunnel right under there that goes back into the hill."
The old man stood, watching as the sun eased toward the ridge, coloring the sky and the world red. Below them, the river still splashed among the stones, as it had for a million years. It's still going, the old man thought. There'll be someone left to carry on for me when I'm gone. It was harder to walk back. He felt old and purposeless now, and it would be easier, he knew, to give in to that aching heaviness in his left lung that had begun to trouble him more and more. Damn cigarettes, he thought. His leg hurt, and the boy silently came up beside him and supported him as they started down the last mile toward the house. How quiet he walks, the old man thought. He's learned well.
It was almost dark when the boy walked in. His father looked up from his paper. "Did you and your granddad have a nice walk?"

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One or one hundred, registration will mean the same. The future America in that sad story will mean that America no longer exists. What a shame.

:10_1_19:

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http://www.thecmp.org/m1garand.htm CMP still has M1 Grands for sale. Eight rounds of pure-d whip-azz!!!!!!!! Get yours while they are still available.

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I sold mines at a gun show parking lot for cash, and no I didn't get a name or address. True story, every rifle I buy, I just don't like. Maybe one day I will find one that I will keep.

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Only draw back to this is they want the individual to swear they are a US citizen.

I suppose I could attempt to educate them but is it worth the bother for a 50 or so year old rifle ?

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As taken from the upcoming 3rd book by Mathew Bracken, "Foreign Enemies and Traitors".

God help us all. Bx3

THEN

"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
"What is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
~George Mason, 1788

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." ~Thomas Jefferson, 1776

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed."~Noah Webster, 1787

"The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~Samuel Adams, 1788

"The militia is our ultimate safety. We can have no security without it. The great object is that every man be armed."
~Patrick Henry

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves."
~William Pitt, 1783


VS NOW

"Americans may own guns for the purpose of hunting and target shooting"
"There is an individual right to bear arms but it's subject to common sense regulation."
~Sen. Barack Obama, 2008

"I would also work to reinstate the assault weapons ban." ~Sen. Hillary Clinton, 2008

"Assault weapons in the hands of civilians exist for no reason but to inspire fear and wreak deadly havoc on our streets" ~President Bill Clinton, 1997

"You want an assault rifle? Join the Army!"
~Rep. Carolyn McCarthy

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe."
~Senator Diane Feinstein, 1993

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!"
~Senator Charles Schumer, 1993

"If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all."
~Rep. Henry Waxman

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In the future they will be worth life in prison without a chance at parole if the gubberment has their way.


Thank God most of us enjoy boating so much, we all had those acts of God cause our boats to sink or capsize sending our guns to the bottom of lake/river/ocean whatever so that we will not have to worry about anything the gubberment may try to do to us here shortly.

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Obummer hasn't really moved on firearms restrictions yet, perhaps because his upcoming coronation will include the honor guard's traditional 21-gun salute. Then he'll be free to take away their guns, and yours soon thereafter.

In any case, I was at the gun show in Puyallup, WA today, and my overall impression is that things have quieted down some. When I arrived 20 minutes prior to opening, the line was only a couple dozen yards long, as compared to extending nearly around the block last time. The pushing and shoving at the ammo tables was relatively mild, with plenty of stock on hand. Sure, people were wheeling out ammo cans by the dozen, but that's usually the case. No shortage of ARs, AKs, hi-caps, etc. The parking lot was filling up quickly when I left after a couple hours, so maybe the mayhem was simply late in coming today.

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Gah, I'm still waiting for my WAC renewal to show up in the mail. I go to the Monroe shows though. Haven't been down to Puyallup before but I hear its a good sized show. I might hit up the Mt. Vernon show next weekend.

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The post-coronation shows should be interesting. For now, the major stocking up by newcomers seems to have run its course, but if Obummer jumps on gun control, we might have a second feeding frenzy take effect soon.

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I don't like boats so I'm just gonna tell the truth - I buried them and forgot where they are.

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I believe the buried part.

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The smartest thing to do is to privately sell them all before the "gun show loop hole" (aka private sales) is closed. That's what I did with most of my guns at a show last month. God I'm gonna miss them.:bawling:

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What a god-awful flocking story.
Jesus H Christ

Heaven help us all

CC

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You left the best part of the story out.

have a nice walk?"

"Yes," the boy answered, opening the refrigerator. "You can call Agent Goodwin tomorrow. Gramps finally showed me where it is."
Upon hearing this, to Gramps surprise, he immediately walked to the bedroom nightstand to retrieve his favorite Colt Single Action Army, "the Peacemaker" chambered in .45 Colt, with the well worn in patina from the years good service it's given him. His own father gave it to him back when he was 15, the same age his grandson is now.
He smiled briefly remembering that special moment he had with his father, then hobbled back to the kitchen and raised his trusty Colt to the boys forehead to let off a single shot, blowing Thomas off his feet.
Then turned to the boys father to see the shock on his face, while dropping the hammer again...once more to the mother of the little traitor.
With sadness in his heart, he turned to Ruth, the wonderful women he married 62 years ago and said "Ruth can I have a piece of your special apple pie"
She never spoke a word and went right to cutting a nice large slice of her still warm pie. He walked to his favorite chair and sat eating the pie in front of the TV...Ruth then spoke four little words "I'll get the shovels!"
http://www.neaca.com/images/Colt_SAA...2_1922_12_.JPG


I like happy endings!:wink:

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Are we competing for the best ending? lol
Anyone else wanna try?

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Boys our country is just about to go down the drain.

I'm sorry for having to post that story but Honestly I can see the writing on the wall. and I really think that's whats in our future.

Did anyone see the confirmation hearings of the little POS the Usurper appointed as the new AG of Corp US his name is HOLDER ?


Anyone see this ?
Looks somewhat scary..


Senate Confirmation Hearings: Eric Holder, Day One
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/us...pagewanted=all
COBURN: Since we only have five minutes, I want to go back to guns just for a minute. Do you have any plans to issue regulations or seek a change in the concealed carry laws of the states or have a federal regulation that might impact those?
HOLDER: That has not been something that I have discussed with anybody in the administration. It's nothing that I've contemplated.
COBURN: It's nothing you're contemplating.
And I understand President-elect Obama does have an opinion on "assault weapons," quote, "assault weapons." Can you tell me what your plans are and how you view that and whether or not you think that may or not be reinstituted?
HOLDER: Yes.
I think you had asked me earlier about the regulations that I thought might still exist, post-Heller. And I had mentioned, I think, closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent would be something that would be permitted under Heller, and I also think would be good for my law enforcement perspective.
COBURN: OK. Thank you.
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And a bit of squirming on right to carry.

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COBURN: Thank you.
And then my last question about guns. Promise, I'll never ask you another one in the committee hearing. And all I want is a yes or no, because I think people need to hear where you're going on this. There's some uneasiness among the second amendment crowd in this country, and what I'm trying to do is clarify that.
Will you commit to protect and preserve the rights of those 40 states that have a -right-to-carry law by opposing legislation that would encroach upon those rights?
HOLDER: In the opposing state legislation? I'm not...
COBURN: No, opposing federal legislation that would encroach upon those rights.
Let me say it again.
HOLDER: Yes, I understand the question. I'm just not sure how -- what the appropriate role would be for the federal government in the situation that you described. I don't...
COBURN: Well, if we're passing a law, that's obviously going to do that as the supreme enforcer of the law in this land. As the head law enforcer, it should be upon you to challenge that and accord when it, obviously, is going to violate the Heller decision.
So, what I'm asking you is to specifically state that if we pass something that violates these state laws, in other words, are going to limit these state laws, take away second amendment rights as being defined by the Heller decision, will you in fact intercede on the basis of that Heller decision to defend the rights of the state to have carry laws?
HOLDER: Well, I wouldn't support any law that violated the dictates of Heller.
Now, I don't know -- the question you asked is hypothetical. It's hard to answer hypotheticals without having all of the facts. But I will state, as I said, I think earlier, Heller is the law of the land. It has to be taken into account with regard to any legislation that might be considered.
COBURN: Well, let me just pin you down just a little bit closer so I can get comfortable.
HOLDER: OK.
COBURN: Do you believe the states presently have the right to establish carry laws in the states?
HOLDER: I think...
COBURN: Either concealed carry, or not concealed carry law.
HOLDER: Without agreeing or disagreeing with them, I think states do have those rights.
COBURN: Yes, the states do have. Will you work to protect that the states will continue to have that right?
HOLDER: Senator, yes, I guess -- I mean, in favor...
COBURN: You're making my second amendment crowd really nervous. They want to hear you say, "Yes, they have that right and they ought to be able to maintain that right." That's what they want to hear you say.
HOLDER: And I guess what I'm saying to that same crowd is that I have no intention -- this administration has no intention of doing anything that would affect a states regulation of firearms, who can carry a firearm, under what circumstances. There is nothing that we have discussed, nothing that is in planning, nothing that I can imagine that we're going to be doing in that regard, so.
LEAHY: Well, if the Senator yields to me.
COBURN: I'd be happy to.
LEAHY: Just to ask for a clarification. The State of Vermont has very simple laws on guns. During hunting season, deer hunting season, and your semi-automatic are restricted to a certain number of rounds to give the deer a chance.
We post signs outside the limits, city limits of Montpelier, our state capital, saying that if you're going to hunt deer inside the city limits of Montpelier like for example, crossing the Statehouse Lawn or something, you are limited to shotguns. That's the only place you are.
Anybody, unless they are a felon are allowed to carry a loaded concealed weapon above the certain age without a permit. Nobody does. We like the fact that we can. The vast majority of us in Vermont like myself, own numerous firearms.
Do I understand you to say you're not going to be on a crusade to have the federal government come in and override the laws of the State of Vermont?
HOLDER: That would be true. I've made and I express...
LEAHY: They are a lot less restricted than laws of Senator Coburn's state.
HOLDER: Maybe I've not expressed this well, but this is not an agenda item. It's not a focus. It's not an expectation that I have for this administration. I'm not sure how I can say it any plainer than that.
There are things that we want to do with regard to crime prevention and to reduce crime. But the concern that you have raised is not on any of the menu items that I have seen or could imagine.
COBURN: Thank you for your answers. It's not the one I wanted to hear, but thank you for the answer.
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And more on "cop-killer bullets." He's obsessed with that term.

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Coburn: Heller. I believe SCOTUS got it right. Tell me where you sit today and with that thought what you would do with that.
Holder: Post-Heller the options we have in terms of regulating firearms has been narrowed. It has not been eliminated, but reasonable restrictions are still possible. The Heller decision has to be factored in now. I don't think we should turn away from discussions about who has guns and how they should be used. I think that we're in a different world.
Coburn: Do you agree that outside of sporting use there's a right to own a gun?
Holder: [a little surprised by the question] Post-Heller definitely. I agree with Obama closing gun show loophole, banning sale of cop-killer bullets. Those are the things we need to focus on.
Coburn: As AG will you make a commitment to defending Heller?
Holder: Sure.
Coburn: Would you also do so if SCOTUS granted Cert for a case revisiting Heller.

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Actually, it won't. They will write the new "laws" as to require that you report to your local cops if you have guns stolen or "lost," in detail, and an attempt to recover such "lost" guns will be undertaken. If they find no evidence of such loss, even if you are actually telling the truth, assume you will be put in chains and then in gulag for a long time (for "unlawful disposal of registerable firearms" and "lying to law enforcement").

America is going to die, my friends. I'm pretty convinced of it. Not one of us is prepared to "start shooting," and America will die just as South Africa did without firing a shot in the 1990s. Sure, there will be a few of us who go down fighting in our own "castles" (homes), but that's it. The "messiah" will sweep America of her firearms in the great part, except those in the hands of the military, the cops, and the Obama Youth (aka the Equality Police). The time to start "shooting the bastards" to quote Claire Wolfe is now past...but no one is doing so. We are all afraid to be the first to ignite a new War for Freedom. I believe most will turn over their firearms for the myriad, juicy incentives once the time comes. I won't, but I will also not be one to ignite the war - I just don't believe there is anything worth saving outside of my household, which lies partly in a lack of confidence any one else would back me up if I sacrificed myself. It's looking more and more like my guns are only to give me a chance to die in my own home, instead of dying in misery in an Obama concentration camp, which I will not do under any circumstances.




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How unfortunate for you. You are under arrest for unlawful transfer of a firearm, a Federal felony subject to 20 years in Federal prison, turn around!

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It is legal (at least in my state) to sell firearms privately. There is no FFL required for private sales.

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Screw them bastards....... I will live in the forrest like a cheap immitation of Grizzly Adams before I willfully turn my means of defense over.


NEVER SURRENDER YOUR ARMS ...........EVER......... THE DAY YOU DO IS THE DAY YOU ACKNOWELEDGE A POWER HIGHER THAN YOUR GOD WHO GAVE YOU YOUR FREEDOMS!!!!

T

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Anybody who can watch that and still have a inkiling of doubt about what these bastards have planned for us is a fool of the first order.

Anything that you are even THINKING about. GET IT RIGHT NOW. The door of self protection is slamming shut and there may even be the possiblity of no Grandfather if these demons have there way.

Prepare accordingly.

T

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There is always Iraq or Afganastan--they have the right to have machine Guns if they want.

E-A

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That story has been around for at least 21 years, and I still have sealed cans of ammo from the clinton years.I doubt hussain will be able to change much, Americans don't like being pushed.Its never a bad idea to stock up though as I have never seen ammo get cheaper, just buy stuff that stores well.

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Maybe in your state a law has been broken but don't confuse your laws with the rest of ours. Still a tool. Bx3

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:111::rofl::cry1::signs1:

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This could be the warmup for the cheapest Gun sale in history.

6 months from now when retail collapses followed by Comercial Realestate Market and an extra 3-4 million people are out of work these thing will be filling the Pawn Shops everywhere.

Its gonna be interesting either way.

E-A

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Here is what Alex Jones has to say about the matter.

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If they made fatal mistakes on the The job path, The home price and pensions why stop there??

May as well sell your guns as your only means of defense and get the quadfecta!!!!

Interesting would be a understatment

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That's true, I think alot of these people are going to end up having to sell them becuase they spent way too much. If people cannot afford products to support their lifestyles they probably could not afford the guns either.

I hope so, I would like a PTR-91 and I'm sick of these bozos who are buying guns and ammo as "investment" who don't even shoot. I spent way more than I wanted to this year because of this but I would like to be able to buy one a year not 5 a year and then never again.

The good news is the guns will be in original unfired condition.

I don't see him trying a ban this year, maybe later.

I think a message was sent for the moment.

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From your keyboard to Gods ears.

So it is.

T

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I hate to say it, but I have a feeling the gun laws will be changed sometime this year, and other than the black market, you won't be able to freely sell firearms, high capacity magazines or ammo. So much for a great investment!
I believe you should be buying only what you need for yourself and family.
If you buy more ammo then you will ever shoot yourself, you can pass it down to your family.
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My point is simple (and can be deduced from the language of my statement):

IT WON'T BE once the Obamanation has his way.

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No worries about me turning in my guns. But millions will: watch.

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I sit here in awe of the sheer stupidity...or is it illiteracy?

The precise language I used in my statement allows easy deduction that I was NOT talking about California laws...


You served them as a military whore. YOU are the tool.

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You'll be among the first to comply when something tangible...like booze...is cut off from you.

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Alex Jones has really redeemed himself in my eyes in the last few months. His statements here are AWESOME.

As for the filthy son of a bitch Biden, he is the mental case.

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My friend, I'm terribly, terribly afraid tens of millions will consent. You and I and our brethren like TA won't consent, but we will be among a tiny minority. My faith in the mass of Americans is gone. Just gone. All talk. Mere beasts who will react in animal fashion to the withdrawal of even minor pacification privileges.

I hereby declare I refuse to recognize the authority of the illegitimate UNITED STATES "government" (an unlawful corporation) and California state government, and withdraw all consent for any of their acts or pretensions of authority. For my family and myself, the consent of the governed is withdrawn.

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Do you even bother to read half the shit you write? It follows the logic pattern of a three year old. Try adding something constructive to this forum for a change instead of continuing to allow that wedgy to cut the blood flow off to your brain. Name calling is for kids......I know you are but what am I...blah blah blah...

Oh BTW, I called off the military, now you can grow a sack and "settle accounts" as you put it.....whats that, your out of cheesy puffs? Maybe you can storm the castle next week then. Still a tool (not calling you names, just an observation). And yes I may be a tool but unlike you, I am a tool with skills! Bx3

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California gun laws are irrelevant!
 

Personally, I prefer to think of my 8 years of military service as mercenary work. Although I may have been ideologically motivated in joining the Army, it took me a few months of full immersion to realize that I was indeed being digested within the Beast's Belly. Nevertheless, I gained a great deal of knowledge and skill, and my closest group of trusted friends are, for the most part, military veterans.

Fast forward to today:

You are making a blanket statement that everyone who served in the military is a whore, without taking into account the experiential character development which comprises each individual and refines our very core being.

This is not about laws, as much as it is historically proven, collectivist motivated, tyrannically implemented disarmament which no laws; past, present or future, can prevent.

The Divine right to self-preservation is a line in the sand which each Sovereign American must prepare to defend, using all "weapons" available.

Have you seen The Slingshot Man yet? Check him out.

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AurumAg, well said, there is nothing that could be added to you post that would make it any better.:coolbeer:

To get back on topic, I stopped by our local surplus store today and was absolutely astonished that they were completely sold out of military ammo cans. The reason for my surprise is that that they had thousands of them not just six months ago. MBR's and mags are not the only things in short supply these days. Get what you need now while you still can, tomorrow may be one day too late! Bx3

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Notice Gramps didn't tell Junior about the booby traps

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With this addition and the other alternate endings, this read had gone from a sad ending to at least a partially happy ending:s1:

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This is why I need to stay off this site while at work. I cannot stop laughing! HAHAHA!!! I love the ending!!!

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I don't give a damn what B.O. does about guns.Let him ban them all tommorrow and be done with it.Then and only then will we see who deserves them or not.My creator told me to arm myself and that surpasses any law of a mear mortal.People protected themselves with arms before the constitution and they will do so when it's dead and gone.Only bitches turn in their guns.:565: